Maybe VR isn't dead after all... - Valve Index Review

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  • Oculus Rift S, anyone? Linus forgot to mention it entirely!!!!!!! No need for extra cameras at all, for $ 400, it’s a good VR headset...

    PhillipePhillipeVor 4 Monate
    • It's not a good headset at all. Not worth shit.

      tiggerbiggotiggerbiggoVor 4 Stunden
    • @Ivium okay well thank you, I'll definitely take that into consideration 👍

      Trentan BewleyTrentan BewleyVor 11 Stunden
    • Trentan Bewley Index has all those old fashion wires... just like the Rift :/ True vr experience should be wireless that’s why the Quest is the best option ;) The Rift only has a few more pixels, it doesn’t really make it better

      IviumIviumVor 12 Stunden
    • @Ivium the rift s is better than the quest though because it's a pc set up I thought, and isnt the quest also pretty expensive? At that point I'd rather just keep saving for the index

      Trentan BewleyTrentan BewleyVor 12 Stunden
    • Trentan Bewley Rift S is good stuff, but it’s true that if you don’t have any vr headset, going for a Rift S NOW would be a bad decision for sure. Quest is future-oriented while Rift S will be obsolete soon

      IviumIviumVor 12 Stunden
  • If they have heptic feedback. Imagine when you touching boobs.

    Prakasa AdnanPrakasa AdnanVor 3 Stunden
  • 🤣🤣

    Tech And TaffyTech And TaffyVor 10 Stunden
  • Me watching: yeah I can’t afford that

    NULLSKULL - GAMINGNULLSKULL - GAMINGVor 12 Stunden
  • And I was hoping you'll say its $hit! Now I have to get it lol

    ukr4everukr4everVor 13 Stunden
  • See i was planning to buy one in December but that plan was demolished quickly when i looked at the valve index page and saw "Due to recent high demand, this item will ship in January 2020"

    VeathenVeathenVor 14 Stunden
  • Shadow !!! XD

    Miguel RamirezMiguel RamirezVor 15 Stunden
  • 3:33 *AWWW* does it come with this cute little cat?

    Joey LeeJoey LeeVor 16 Stunden
  • I cant believe a tech genius like person was retared enough to think vr was dead...

    EasyPixyEasyPixyVor 17 Stunden
  • 12:00 Oh Linus... Im sure there are games for that now ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)

    ZastockZastockVor 18 Stunden
  • It honestly doesn't seem worth the extra 600. I'm gonna get the rift s and save up until something better comes out so I dont waste money. It may be the "king" now but not by much at all and it wont be too long until oculus beats it so fuck no it's not worth 999 right now. What games make the finger sensors so worth it? It's just not worth it yet until better games are made and by then there will be a better headset

    Trentan BewleyTrentan BewleyVor 21 Stunde
  • more of a strap on experience

    JJ RhodesJJ RhodesVor 21 Stunde
  • At the beginning of the video you said this was the first time you unboxed it, but in the middle of the video you said your five year old daughter couldn't play with that headset until you put the memory foam padding in? Caught red-handed

    Trentan BewleyTrentan BewleyVor 22 Stunden
  • 3:33 lol cat

    Dremico's ARTDremico's ARTVor 22 Stunden
  • Using 980ti.. as your gpu... does not let you feel full immersion of Valve Index.. Linus...

    m Mindem MindeVor 22 Stunden
  • 🙀 4:40

    PixelPhobiacPixelPhobiacVor Tag
  • Shooting a zombie in the head with blood spreading everywhere -> no problem Showing a virtual middle finger -> needs to be censored This world is so crazy

    Paul SchulzePaul SchulzeVor Tag
    • DE-visions algorithm determines this stuff. Kids watch the videos and sometimes the conflicting content will allow the video to be seen by the younger crowd.

      EVOLICIOUSEVOLICIOUSVor Tag
  • Linus should try boneworks with this

    StampliStampliVor Tag
  • Don't make the mistake to buy a Rift S instead of a Quest you will regret it

    IviumIviumVor Tag
    • @EVOLICIOUS The point is: Quest is future-oriented while Rift S will be obsolete soon.

      IviumIviumVor 12 Stunden
    • Rift S is far better than the Quest, fyi. Quest has to heavily compress the streamed data over usb3, so the image looks pretty bad. If oyu have a gaming PC and want to play VR, get a PC-VR kit. Quest is best on it's own of a gameboy-like device.

      EVOLICIOUSEVOLICIOUSVor Tag
  • This requires a PC? Well then, Oculus Quest for $400 here I come.

    FatalFatalVor 2 Tage
    • I just bought the quest and i have absolutely loved it as a stand alone all in one wireless experience. Just today i had 7 different adults ranging from age 26-47 play it and they were all blown away. They played it until the battery died 4 times today alone. It's a damn good investment with the best stand alone app store.

      Michael JohnsonMichael JohnsonVor 10 Stunden
    • Better to get a Rift S if you plan on playing PC-VR games

      EVOLICIOUSEVOLICIOUSVor Tag
  • "If I Fitz, I Sitz"

    BigTyme420BigTyme420Vor 2 Tage
  • Test out boneworks, the game takes huge advantage of the valve index and has a crazy engine

    Max StovallMax StovallVor 2 Tage
  • CAT!!!

    Dick KickemDick KickemVor 2 Tage
  • age of empires 2 vr

    Wacky ParsonsWacky ParsonsVor 2 Tage
  • Not wireless, booo 👎

    UserUserVor 3 Tage
    • Valve will have a wireless adapter coming out for Index next year. FYI, not everyone can use 60ghz. It requires a top-shelf CPU to run due to the bandwidth and ultra-low latency it needs. It's also an expensive technology. The Vive 60ghz wireless adapter is $300.

      EVOLICIOUSEVOLICIOUSVor Tag
  • 10:07 "a lot of fascinating possibilities".... Me: *MIddle finger*

    ZyonZyonVor 3 Tage
  • "honestly its a bit of a mix feeling comfort wise" there are literally huge foam bumbers strapped onto every part of the plastic what more comfort do you want

    MarceleyyyMarceleyyyVor 3 Tage
    • The Index is heavy, but the weight is distributed very well. I agree, I would also want it to be lighter, but with the tech it has, it's not easy to do, and make it affordable in the end. For now, it's the most comfortable HMD money can buy and it's hard to believe anyone would have an issue with comfort over countless hours.

      EVOLICIOUSEVOLICIOUSVor Tag
  • Is it really necessary to censor every single instance of 🖕?

    WadelDeeWadelDeeVor 3 Tage
  • You can pair both the meat handle and index controllers in the same setup.

    Firestar 3xFirestar 3xVor 3 Tage
  • Will probably get when I make my new pc next year summer or something. Worked and saved a bit for big upgrade :)

    milo20060milo20060Vor 3 Tage
    • Better hurry, Boneworks comes out tomorrow!

      EVOLICIOUSEVOLICIOUSVor Tag
  • Too bad it wasn't dead. This is just too far in video games taken to a absurd level. People look like fucking idiots in those things and it is brimgimg people deep into isolation.

    Super Intendent ChalmersSuper Intendent ChalmersVor 3 Tage
  • il wait 5 more years.

    Edgarv68Edgarv68Vor 3 Tage
  • How to determine whether or not something is dead: the linus test

    GameboyGameboyVor 3 Tage
  • I'm getting the Index right now! It comes with a free cat!!! This is awesome!

    WaaDoku 【和ァ独】WaaDoku 【和ァ独】Vor 3 Tage
  • its comes with a kitty!

    Benjamin ArvizuBenjamin ArvizuVor 3 Tage
  • The durability on both the headset and knuckles controls are garbage 1 month of daily play and it is falling apart completely even my old regular rift works better

    American FryAmerican FryVor 4 Tage
    • lol, you are lying. Oculus build quality is nothing like the Valve Index build quality. I own several kits, Index is, by far, the best built kit and of the highest quality.

      EVOLICIOUSEVOLICIOUSVor Tag
  • vr's still in it's infancy state and there are barely any games that actually attempt to make use of vr's potential (boneworks, township tale, blade and sorcery are your best choices) so in a sense, spending 1k on a headset right now is a waste when it'll take years before vr really starts to take off and if you'd wait until then these should most have dropped in price or more improved versions of the headsets are released. (sure you can still use these headsets, but not many games make use of the valve anyways.) it's more of a "spend 1k just to be able to flip people off" so i'd just wait untill the price lowers at least

    KevtendoKevtendoVor 4 Tage
    • @EVOLICIOUS I got my Oculus rift for $350 too. Pretty nice.

      KevtendoKevtendoVor Tag
    • For anyone who has never tried VR and only knows what they heard in the news 3 years or so ago when the Vive and the Rift were released and are hesitant/angry about this being a VR-only title, here's what you need to know: 1) You don't need a $1000 headset and $4000 PC. The Samsung HMD Odyssey+ is a very good Windows Mixed Reality headset (it has the same resolution screens as the Vive Pro) and only costs $229.00. You can go even lower with $184.91 for HP's Mixed Reality Headset. These headsets are fully SteamVR-ready. For PC hardware, thanks to recent software tricks, you don't need a top-end gaming PC. Valve recommends a GTX 1060/RX 580 minimum for HL:A, which are both mid-range GPUs that go for around $170-$200. Even lower if you buy a second hand one. If you flat-out don't own a gaming PC at all, you can find guides for a $500 VR build on DE-visions. 2) Motion sickness isn't the huge issue you've heard it is from internet comedians. Modern VR headsets have been designed and extensively tested to ensure the hardware itself isn't the cause of any motion sickness. Not to say it's impossible, you might be extra-sensitive to motion sickness (though if that's the case, FPS games likely are also a problem for you) and you need to ensure you've got the headset setup correctly (i.e you're able to run the game at the minimum FPS and you have the IPD set correctly for your eyes). Beyond that, it's down to software, the developers need to make sure their camera system isn't weird and new players should avoid any artificial locomotion movement systems until they have adjusted. 3) There's more movement options in VR than just teleporting. This is a popular option since it's more friendly towards new VR users, but many games also feature traditional WASD movement as an option for advanced players. 4) They can't just "flick a switch" to make the game playable in non-VR. The big issue is that the game has been designed for use with what's essentially three input methods being used at the same time (your head, left hand and right hand). Further complicating things is the fact that the position and orientation in 3D space of these three input methods, as well as which fingers on what hand are in what position are also taken into consideration. This is straight-up impossible to replicate with a keyboard and mouse, assuming you don't want the game to play like Surgeon Simulator. In order to make a non-VR version, they would need to create hundreds of new canned animations to replicate some of the things the player can do in the VR version, not to mention programming new scripts for all these actions. This would be very time-consuming and would result in something that's very clunky to play. It would be better to just strip all this out of the game, but this would then require large parts of the game to be re-designed. Very important to add that you can cure motion sickness in 2-3 weeks by taking baby steps with artificial locomotion and irl movement in VR. Caring to avoid your subconscious associating nausea with VR. Takes patience for acclimation. Also important to add that VR doesn't require tons of space and that standing in one place can get you a great VR experience, but more room = more fun! Everyone seems to think they need to spend $1000+ on one game. So here are my system sellers: Boneworks, Asgard's wrath, Stormland, Vertigo 2, Lone Echo 2, Vader Immortal, Trover Saves the Universe, Vox Machinea, Windlands 2, Robo Recall, H3VR (hotdogs, horseshoes and hand grenades), Blade & Sorcery, Cosmic Trip, Espire 1, Arizona Sunshine, MMORPG OrbisVR, Space Junkies, Gorn, Fujii, Holoception, VTOL VR, Rec Room, Tilt Brush, SuperHot VR, Virtual Virtual Reality, Beat Saber, Pistol Whip, Onward, Pavlov, Contractors vr, Zero Caliber, Compound vr, google earth vr, virtual desktop, skyrimvr, NMSVR, so many amazing VR games and that is just off the top of my head.

      EVOLICIOUSEVOLICIOUSVor Tag
  • I usually don't like videos, but your cats man, i just had to!

    Empu EmppuEmpu EmppuVor 4 Tage
  • I don't think I'd like a more of a strap-on experience but that's just me

    a ricea riceVor 4 Tage
  • valve gives you a free CAT with every valve index???? de-visions.com/detail/video-6p1e_JSol8s.html that is awesome ^ ^

    PaPiRiCoSuAvEPaPiRiCoSuAvEVor 4 Tage
  • So we not finna talk about the cat

    Best69 HfhBest69 HfhVor 4 Tage
  • 11:59...

    Pranav JoshiPranav JoshiVor 4 Tage
  • I'm just so ready for the Nerve Gear!

    Cvrlos PadillaCvrlos PadillaVor 4 Tage
  • "I do wish it was more of a 'strap on' experience". - Linus, Christmas 2019

    Chay WarburtonChay WarburtonVor 4 Tage
    • @Joseph .M 101 eh, not to worried about it. If you dont like it, dont read it xD

      Chay WarburtonChay WarburtonVor 3 Tage
    • This video was shot and uploaded in August. Not December.

      Joseph .M 101Joseph .M 101Vor 3 Tage
  • You have to try boneworks on december 10

    DragunovskiDragunovskiVor 4 Tage
  • 3:33 I didn’t know the index came with a cat?

    Bongie361Bongie361Vor 5 Tage
  • You wish it was more of a strap on experience? Ok

    Dur DuhDur DuhVor 5 Tage
  • vive index

    Jason ZherdevJason ZherdevVor 5 Tage
  • Someone kill the camera man

    Mr. WalkerMr. WalkerVor 5 Tage
  • At 3:32 does it come with the cat or is that a separate deal?

    5./StG1 - DLMalloy5./StG1 - DLMalloyVor 5 Tage
  • Man if it was like 200$ less I’d pick it up instantly I just don’t have the $$ to drop on it

    Almantas KandrotasAlmantas KandrotasVor 5 Tage
  • sorry linus, there's a cat on the screen, i no longer care

    I AM ROBOTI AM ROBOTVor 5 Tage
  • HAHA he said strap-on experience!

    ohaleceiffelohaleceiffelVor 5 Tage
  • anyone exited for half life alyx and boneworks?

    TacticalHouse AhTacticalHouse AhVor 5 Tage
  • What kind of controllers do you have there Bro ✨✨✨😁

    Al BuAl BuVor 5 Tage
  • Me “this looks neat maybe I’ll order one “ sees price 😭😭😭😭

    NessNessVor 5 Tage
  • "I really do wish that it was more of a strap-on experience" -Linus Sebastian, 2019

    Antoine FauconneauAntoine FauconneauVor 5 Tage
  • Check Out boneworks, it seems like it got great index support

    KATOSKATOSVor 6 Tage
  • i nearly vomit everytime I wear VR

    RogueBritRogueBritVor 6 Tage
  • with this video I guess the cat is back in the box....

    Mate VarszegiMate VarszegiVor 6 Tage
  • VR games and controls are horrible and nobody wants to play standing. We just want to play our favorite games with VR headset support.

    GoProJoeGoProJoeVor 6 Tage
  • Holy shit all those controllers 👀

    AngusAngusVor 6 Tage
  • The cat tho. He just completely ignored it

    ROXAL m2ROXAL m2Vor 6 Tage
  • Free KITTY! Plus Free Half Life Alyx!

    Fredrick RourkFredrick RourkVor 6 Tage
  • Linus on camera with has cat: good kitty strokes Linus off camera with cat: you dumb bitch slams on ground.

    Chase BrinsonChase BrinsonVor 6 Tage
  • talks up high resolution and fps like they are everything only plays games with nintendo 64 graphics

    Josh ManitowichJosh ManitowichVor 6 Tage
  • So glad I bought it for my son in September instead of waiting for his birthday in November. It's a blast. I'm going to get the Oculus Quest 128GB for my truck.

    Matthew E AdcockMatthew E AdcockVor 6 Tage
  • So, after watching the trailers for Half-Life: Alyx and Boneworks, I ordered a Samsung Odyssey Plus for $229. At 1/4 of the price of the index, I'm hoping it's at least 1/2 as good lol. Not expecting the pixel persistence/response time/tracking to be great but I heard the black levels and colors are incredible with the OLED 1440x1600 per eye resolution.

    tyson505tyson505Vor 6 Tage
    • @EVOLICIOUS thanks for the info! That's my plan, return it for a rift s if I'm not satisfied. I hear the tracking on the rift s is far superior despite both being inside-out tracking. How bad are the black levels/colors on the rift s compared to the o+? My friend ordered the $1000 index kit and it arrived today, I'll have to try that out once he sets it up.

      tyson505tyson505Vor 6 Tage
    • I have the O+ and several other kits. O+ definitely holds it's own, it's not nearly as good as the Rift S and nothing like the Index, but it does the job great! The only warning I have (that may or may not bother you) is that you may find the tracking a little limiting, the comfort is not so great, and the visuals are fairly blurry due to the anti-SDE filter they use. If any of those things bother you, do return/sell the O+ and be on the lookout for a Rift S for around $350 that will solve all of those issues.

      EVOLICIOUSEVOLICIOUSVor 6 Tage
  • I love ur cat

    pepr 69pepr 69Vor 6 Tage
  • 3:33 comes with a pussy. Nice

    DzrianDzrianVor 7 Tage
Maybe VR isn't dead after all... - Valve Index Review